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Wormhole in El Cerro del Pueblo? by Roland Michel Tremblay
This report on the Net: www.themarginal.com/elcerrodelpueblo.htm Download a doc version: www.themarginal.com/elcerrodelpueblo.doc rm@themarginal.com www.themarginal.com
Here is an event that took place some months ago in Mexico near Chihuahua and the famous Zone of Silence. UFOs coming out of a hill that turns out to be one of the most important deposit of barite, a barium bearing mineral that exhibits more gravity than any other mineral with no metallic constituent elements with the exception of uranitite. Could this be the manifestation of a wormhole, inter-dimensional window or something science fiction has not yet thought of? The science that could explain some of this is discussed in the reports: Time Travel and Parallel Universes.
Roland Michel Tremblay
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Barite Picture of barite samples from El Cerro del Pueblo
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This is a lower section of the fault at El Cerro del Pueblo whereby am planning to commence drilling and explosives. My brother in law Ramon is at right hand of the picture, the mayor of Villa Lopez at the center and my brother in law Raymundo " Nuno" who witnessed the sighting with me. They are looking at the length of the fault.
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This is a sort of oasis at the entrance of La Zona del Silencio and at the foot of the Sierra de Chupaderos whereby we found a small crater that we dug it out to recover a 500 grams iron - nickel meteorite fragment, that's all that was left after the crash of a probably bigger object. Ramon is behind me and Nuno at the left, am the one with the sunglasses, Benjamin took this picture. Click here to enlarge the picture
This is the meteorite fragment with a wheel grounded side. I did polish it afterwards and it looks great but my camera is not currently working so for now, this is the only picture I have of this specimen.
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Iron Nickel Meteorite 2 I also included a picture of a smaller iron but mostly nickel meteorite I found near the salt mine of Benjamin, kind of far from Sierra de Chupaderos. It is the small piece (on top of the larger rock not meteoric) with white - silvery couple of grinded areas. The other two, also from the area are at a lab of a friend in Arizona for XRD and probe analyses.
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Roland Michel Tremblay
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Dear Mr. Tremblay, ______________
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Hello! Sorry for taking some time to answer you, I needed the time and the predisposition. I will try to answer your questions below. Your first question in the subject of this email is: Wormholes, where do they come from? They could form (in theory) naturally where space get really distorted like for example in the middle of a black hole. The principle is the same as the water going down in the hole of a sink. In theory, with a lot of energy, you could open one. In the first instance I have to admit to you that they are a theoretical concept only and they are far from being proven. In fact, before the movie Contact we could not even think of a way for us to use them to go somewhere. The author of the book Contact is Carl Sagan and he contacted some theoretical physicists like Kip Thorne. Thorne had some sort of freedom in creating his wormhole because he did not have to be limited to our actual knowledge of science. Aliens with a superior knowledge were sending the signals and an even older civilization created the wormholes in which Jodie Foster travels to another system. Today if you were to assemble a team and tell them that you have a billion dollars to spend for them to create a wormhole, they probably could not do it. This is not discouraging because one great revolution in Physics is all we need to open up the doors to wormholes. For example, if we ever find a way to tap into huge sources of energy, like the very promising Zero Point Energy that I mention in my report Parallel Universes, then we will be one step closer to opening a wormhole. This said theoretically there are very good reasons to believe that these wormholes exist and that they could be use to travel. Even better, we do not have to limit ourselves to what Kip Thorne said about his wormholes because we do not know much about the forms that wormholes could take and how they would operate. At the moment it is believed that in the middle of each galaxy there could be a giant black hole sucking everything in like in a sink. All the stuff, planets, stars, etc., would be going right in the middle and could be falling into a wormhole and spat back into another universe, perhaps a parallel universe, or perhaps in our universe but somewhere else. With a sufficient amount of energy you could open a wormhole without the need for a black hole, you could connect two places in the universe by warping space. Here is what I say in my report Time Travel:
The universe is like a sheet of rubber all distorted depending on the speed you are travelling at and the gravity surrounding you. It is not something linear or anything like what you are seeing when you look at the sky. It is all bumpy, and if a star is massive enough, gravity surrounding it is great, making a curvature in space, and eventually a hole if it is massive enough. Theoretically, a huge amount of energy could open a hole in space and bring you somewhere else in the universe instantly, because the universe is so weirdly shaped that if two places are really distorted the configuration of the universe could link those two places together. Now, if you could somehow control this with some future technology, you could open wormholes even if most likely you would be crushed.
Negative Mass or Exotic Matter is needed for Wormholes
Negative mass and exotic matter are theoretical concepts. In my mind, the negative is not exactly negative. It becomes negative (which is impossible according to science, but science foresaw its existence and they cannot explain it) only because they wish to stick to Einstein. The mass in the universe is also relative and changing from your point of view. And if the mass of an object becomes negative it is only a perception. It means that basically the object is to be seen at another scale, a scale that the limitation of the speed of light cannot really show us. Anything going faster than the speed of light cannot be seen by us, it then becomes Exotic Matter or of a Negative Mass, because it appears to exist even though we cannot see it. So the missing mass of the universe, or Dark Matter, is not really missing, it is there, we just don't see it. (These are my ideas from my own theories, no one else would tell you something like that. The Missing Mass is one of the Grail quests of physics.) I remember reading in the Star Trek Technical book that they invented some sort of Exotic Matter to maintain their wormhole open (since this is impossible to justify in the actual science of today). Ok, as I mentioned about the negative mass, it is something you would need in order for a wormhole to be stable and stay open. The thing is, that exotic matter with a negative mass (that may have existed at the time of the Big Bang) is just as theoretical than the wormholes themselves. So, in my own theory of how the wormhole is possible, I don't get into this negative energy, because it is impossible to justify. You would need it to keep it open, but you don't really need to talk about it (they don't on Star Trek Deep Space Nine or barely as the Aliens inside are how the wormhole exist and can be used). One way or the other, you cannot really say that the experiment created exotic matter of a negative mass, no one knows how such things could be created, and it would be very difficult if not impossible to create as much as is needed for a big wormhole. That is why they were hoping to find it in a natural state in nature. But that has not happened yet. Please read in my report something I found on the Internet and that is clear about the subject. The section is called Articles about Wormholes. www.themarginal.com/Articles_about_Wormholes My idea is that times are co-existing. Now, some sort of wormhole (or Einstein-Rosen bridge, if you wish to use a synonym) could connect two times already co-existing. Even though I would prefer to talk about the amount of energy necessary to create one, instead of the negative mass. Also because negative mass of exotic matter is only one solution to create a wormhole, there are some others. So ultimately you could forget that hypothetical mass or exotic matter, but you would still need a huge amount of energy in any case. As well, if two times are co-existing already, there is not really any need for this negative mass, because it is obvious that naturally we have reached a breakthrough in science that can connect different times without the use of those impossible wormholes (which, REMEMBER!!!, need to be created artificially in the first place!!!). 1) You need to maintain your wormhole artificially. 2) You need that hypothetical exotic matter. 3) You need a lot of it. So I would use wormholes if you need them, because who knows, it could be possible that such a manifestation could permit shifting between two times when the two times are not exactly and completely co-existing together, but I would forget the actual theoretical way of explaining how these wormholes are possible. Because from my point view and according to my theories, they would be something different than the normal way of explaining what they are. My wormholes are not your usual Contact (Kip Thorne) wormhole. It is some sort of manifestation of the shift between two co-existing and different times. Now, you can show that the way you want, but you need to be careful about how you explain it. As I said before, they are not needed. And believe me, it is easier for you to explain everything without using Contact wormholes explanation.
Wormholes connecting two different points in space and time
Spacetime can bend in order for two points in space and time to be linked together. In this case it is less a bending of the timeline than a problem in the balance of the gravity surrounding the Earth in two different times in history. As well the Speed at which the solar system is going at in those two particular times, and the geomagnetic fields of the Earth getting involved with the magnetic fields of the experiment. These are your means to tell the story you wish to portray. And I have plenty more ideas that could be explored. Like communication between two worlds (the one of the past and the one of the present), transportation via shifts and will, discovery of other times than those two, understanding why those two particular times are linked together and therefore, by calculating the actual gravity and speed of the solar system, you could in theory link your time to another one and have your own time machine. Anti-gravity is another possibility, I will have to get back to you about how to proceed about this and how it could be incorporated in a story. As well, all the idea of modifying the timeline or affecting future events whilst in the past. Even more interesting, the déjà-vu.
Wormholes Facts vs. Science Facts
Since using wormholes are not exactly proven science, your guess about how they work is as good as mine. Since Contact, wormholes can exist. If you can produce more energy than we can today, like an enormous amount of energy, you can. That is why the knowledge of these aliens was essential, because we cannot do that today. The problem is that you would need to generate the wormhole artificially. I cannot really think how it could happen by itself, and grab the right people at a convenient time. If you wish to go along with a vortex and a wormhole, it would be more difficult to see it as a natural phenomenon and harder to justify using my explanation of the experiment. Playing around with natural phenomena like magnetic fields would not really create vortex and wormholes. In fact, nothing could create such things unless you do a leap of faith like in Contact: a lot and a lot of energy could open a hole, no more explanation necessary. Like in Contact, they say that we do not truly understand the alien technology, we can just guess. Don't forget that the wormholes, the corridors, had to be created and built by an even older civilization (it cannot be natural).
The bottom line on wormholes is that you need a huge amount of energy to construct one. You would need to manipulate energy billions of times larger than what we can generate today. Nice fact, it would be 1019 billion electron volts.
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So, José Alberto, don’t be discouraged by what I wrote here. Definitely you witness something and it could be a wormhole or an inter-dimensional window or something else that could somehow connect two points in space. It is not because we don’t know about the technology that could permit this that it is impossible. From the fact that you are providing someone out there might put 2 and 2 together and realize how this could be done.
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Dear Mr. Tremblay,
The answers to you questions in the order you formulated them are:
MEDIA AND INVESTIGATION OF REPORT
No, there wasn't any sort of investigation nor even an inquiry from the newspapers or state authorities regarding my brother in law and others report of the sightings, which in a way It was not that surprising after all because of the following facts; the small village of Villa Lopez is located within the middle of arid and semi-desertic areas of northern Mexico,- the relatively recent paving of a road that connects this community of barely 1000 with a main highway elevated its status from being "in the middle of nowhere" to "somewhere" relates to the struggle to maintain a fragile economy above survival levels based upon fighting against the desertic lands for farming and ranching, not only by the ones living in this town but the whole region at large which is reflected in the menu of the limited media services provided by one newspaper agency, one TV and two radio stations located 85 km from here covering some 20,000 square km. whereby local news prioritize economic matters including politics and the like well above the sightings of incomprehensible nature (not for anyone for that matter) for populations unfortunately averaging educational levels below fifth grade.
----If you are in power and some citizens report to you that there could be a significant threat to your people, no matter how weird or how far it is, I should think they would at least send someone to investigate. UFO sightings are also a hot topic for newspapers, whether the journalist believe the witnesses or not. I find that weird that such report can leave everyone indifferent especially if it is within their reach to go and investigate. But I believe you are right in what you are saying, I am not surprised that they would not do anything about it, if they believe it at all. ----We are living in a weird world where even if you had managed to film what you said, people might still doubt. I myself have no reason to doubt you, and a significant amount of people have witnessed weird events like yours and another significant percentage do believe in Unidentified Flying Objects, even if no one has any idea what they could be. I have myself watched many television programs about witnesses telling us what they saw in order to figure out some great new technology that we do not have. There was this engineer that apparently worked somewhere in the desert in the US, back engineering some space ships. What he is telling us about the anti-gravity devices and other details are quite fascinating even if somehow this was an elaborate hoax. It even inspired me some ideas in my reports.
An item related to cosmic events that made it to the news was that of "The Meteorite of Allende" in 1969, that occurred 15 km west of Villa Lopez, mainly because it represented an economical "gift from the sky" whereby large numbers of farmers instead of farming dedicated their time and efforts to collect meteorite fragments and selling them for an average price of half dollar per gram - so far they collected and sold almost 3 tons of it.
---This is very funny, I have to say. Could this be related to what you witness? I am not certain. Perhaps some other people reading this might know more about meteorite and what they could bring to a location where they fell. I do think though that what you witnessed happened because of the barite/barium deposit, and I do not know how we could connect this to the meteorite. And the barite is either used for its gravity effect or its protective shield qualities, or perhaps somehow as a source of energy. The real question might be: has anyone in the past ever witnessed what you witnessed? Like perhaps 50 years ago, 100 years ago? Talking with the people who lives around there or lived there in the past might be a good idea. It would prove two things, either if this is used to travel in time, or at the very least it could establish how long this mountain has been used this way, whatever it is that happened in those occasions when you were there. ---The thing is, some other related cosmic events might have happen but no one was there to witness it or never told anyone except perhaps close relatives. I have seen a UFO when I was young, I explained what I saw to other people but no one ever showed any interest and I don’t think anyone believed me. My father claims he saw two UFOs when he was young, it certainly is something common even though I have to say that perhaps in many cases they are identified objects. In my case it was quite impressive, the object went from one side of the sky to the other almost instantly and it multiplied itself on the way there, as if going faster than the speed of light. Then the yellow light stopped and almost instantly disappeared to the north (at a 90 degrees angle). The ship was moving by going somewhere faster than light, had the time to stop and then went away in another direction. My friend saw it to. I am not sure what it could have been, a natural lightning event? Perhaps, but a weird one, that’s for sure. ---I don’t suppose there is always someone near El Cerro del Pueblo to check if the event happens again? Cameras should be placed, or even perhaps some scientific equipment to find out if something happens, like perhaps a photo-electric gadget that could register a significant change in light. Unfortunately I would not be the right person to build such a device, but it could be cheap and effective to find out the frequency at which those strange events are taking place.
THE FAULT
Regarding the "crack" behind El Cerro del Pueblo, its an approximately 4 meters wide by 250 meters long external feature which original craggy outlines have been mostly softened by perhaps eons of water, wind, climate and other factors filling the external surface portions of the crack in all its length with debris and as seen from afar it resembles the folding of a hill, however at close it is noticeable that a rapture had taken place at the meeting of both sides of the hill whereby the continuity of the strata has been disrupted and moved in two directions; this is, the eastern part of the hill has moved south and downwards and the western side north and upwards, hence as surfaced portion of a fault or a small one. While no tectonic but only perhaps generic cratonic mapping of this parts is available (PEMEX, Mexico's state owned oil company), the depth and internal extents of such fault, and its geological structural workings including electromagnetic field(s), its "natural" origin and age could be assessed by gravitational, electromagnetic and infrared measurements, along with geochemical and radio isotopic analyses of remnant geochemical signatures of hydrothermal levels of salinities and acidities as well as traces in its mineralogy of geothermal past and current exhalative activities.
---If you have any photos that could help us visualize this, please email or mail them to me. It would help me and other visitors to the website to get a better idea. I have a lot of space on my server and I have a good scanner. Don’t worry about how big the files are, my email address can take it and I have a very fast ADSL connection. I also have Winzip if you wish to zip the files.
As for the age of the baritic deposit at El Cerro del Pueblo and its surroundings, the initial approach was that of matching analog deposits type, which it gave me a variety of geological settings of the sort all the way from Alaska, Canada and in the United States whereby ages of baritic deposits hosted by carbonaceous grayish - black shale / limestones range from early archean - near 3.8 billion years ago to the Mississippian some 250 million years ago, and while by no means there is a baritic deposit or any other kind of mineral deposit equal, the ones so far with more analogies and similarities are those of the Stanley carbonaceous shale - limestones in Arkansas ( between the Pennsylvanian and the Mississippian - some 300 to 250 million years ago) which as indicated in my email sightings report such baritic massive deposits range from 900 thousand tons to 12 million tons averaging 1.25 million tons. The key at hand am currently using to dating the age of the deposit at El Cerro del Pueblo is the Permian fossilization evidence found "mingling" with baritic outbursts spreaded within the once muddy sands - today's carbonaceous limestones - of an internal shallow sea that raised and fell on several epochs invading some of the southwestern, south central and southeastern portions of the United States, including Arkansas and Texas and this parts. In depth analyses as the aforementioned would give us a quite more accurate dating than that I estimated of 275 +/- millions years of age, which due to the importance of the matter it is a must.
----I don’t suppose this would help much in assessing if travel in time or travel from somewhere else happened at El Cerro del Pueblo. I guess there could be other evidences there, visible to the naked eye or measurable with some other equipment that I am not aware of in order to establish some proof that something did happen and could help to establish if it happens frequently or not.
Additionally, I haven't been able to find similar baritic material, even with the help of geologists and mining engineers friends of mine involved in the mining at 30+ sites within the vast areas of this region, nor in worldwide mineralogical pictures, including the assistance of geologists and mineralogists in Canada, the U.S., Australia and the UK plus am currently in contact with some people of the most barite producing in the world, China and India seeking out to find comparable specimens. But if I don't find any of the kind, it could well mean that as mineral deposits and geological settings have their own INDIVIDUALITY so are some minerals. The closest finding I have been able to achieve in this regard it is 25 km northeast from Villa Lopez, at a larger carbonaceous shale - limestone with remarkable external similarities to that of El Cerro del Pueblo, however its barite deposits are contaminated with the inerworks of later igneous origin such as minor extrusive rhyolite and tuff along with a small intrusive mafic episodes which have probably disrupted the possibly original baritic cohesive integrity, fragmenting and widespreading its concentrated gravitational baritic unity as evidentiated by the barites found mostly in veins, vugs and pockets, being the largest deposit by mining works of no more than 12 tons. The barites at this location contain mostly small to medium size, 1/2 to 1.5 cm opaque white with reddish iron oxide to translucent crystals. The barite at El Cerro del Pueblo is massive, and no evidence of veins or other type of igneous interaction is present, its baritic material consists in large lumps of pure barite that we have sliced from a huge white mass with no visible crystals that closely resembles the white glittering cooked flesh of a large fish fillet.
----You know what, there is an interesting question here that we should be asking ourselves. If some people are using this deposit of barite, they must have known it was there. How would they have been able to find out about it? Somehow, sometime, some people must have look for such a perfect site for their own purpose, whatever that is. How easy would it be to find that deposit? How could they have found out about it? Was there any sort of mining expeditions in the past that took place around El Cerro del Pueblo? Could someone have reported the possibility of barite in these areas before, and to whom this would have been reported? And it does not need to be a report about a huge amount of it, but just the report that there could be barite in that area (which would get someone’s attention to the possibility that a big deposit does exist in that area). These are paths that could lead to who could be responsible for what you witnessed. It is not necessarily from out of space or out of this world. It could easily be some other humans doing something weird. (Or perhaps I have watched too many X-Files! But let’s not forget that originally the X-Files were based on true reports from the governments and other archives/medias.)
BARIUM PURITY, SPECIFIC GRAVITY, OTHER TYPE OF DEPOSITS AND UPCOMING ACTIVITIES
Although very seldomly barite containing 98%+ of barium and 4.47 SG it is supposedly to be found in nature all of the baritic deposits within the range of the mining of barite in this parts rarely attain above 92% of purity and 4.1 SG. nor has happened around here for the last 50 years since the beginning of barite mining in the state of Chihuahua.
----Perhaps wherever we do find such purity it should be investigated.
While I haven't been able to access information regarding the extent of gravitational concentrations of other baritic deposits, the only available information I have been able to gather relating to the Stanley group is that their barite attains an average of 85% of purity and that the deposits reach up to 30 m high at their core, extending the manto several km in length but not indication of tonnage or width regarding this particular piece of information is included. 450 km from here in Durango City, there is an iron ore deposit of 300 million tons - EL Cerro del Mercado - relatively comprised within a small context, mostly composed by martite (5.5 to 6.5 SG), a pseudomorphus after magnetite which, because of its nature would be an ideal site for the dynamics of an electromagnetic and gravitational source for energy or other utilization of electromagnetics for the phenomena of a wormhole as the ones seen by us. On the other hand, aside the fact that I believe that the concentration of the high purity of barium within a very small realm at El Cerro del Pueblo making it one of the highest gravitational forces that can be found, and unless there is a magnetic field under the baritic deposit, the notion of electromagnetics could only play a role if, the baritic deposit was utilized as a huge superconductor to channeling gravitational / electromagnetic forces from the core of the earth, including and as you indicated the possibility of opening a gate THROUGH the core of our planet, obviously beyond the 3rd. dimension but conveying the benefits of its mirrored wide spectrum of selected energy types for space/time traveling.
----You certainly did your research, you appear to know more than me about the subject. I am very pleased by those ideas of yours, it would certainly do good sci-fi for the next movies and series I might be working on in the future. The level of understanding about what is at the core of the Earth and how we could use that to our advantage might or might not be beyond our actual knowledge of science, god knows what the governments or other private agencies might be working on behind those closed doors. So the barite might after all be used as a powerful source of energy in order for some sort of scientific event to take place. And since some ships or lights came out of there, it would appear to be for traveling purposes. And since what you see does not appear to be matched anywhere else in the world, it could be from somewhere else in the universe and/or from the future.
As indicated above, the possibility of utilizing the energy of a planet or a star for the dynamics of such enterprising could be the modus operandy for at least the ones that manipulated or built the kind of wormhole we saw. Nonetheless the gathering of all data concerning the site to try to unravel the mechanics of the event from the starting point is my ongoing endeavor, next Sunday some geologists friends of mine will be coming to assist me in the plotting of the drilling of the outlined deposit area to verify its estimated depth and the works will commence as soon I receive the drilling equipment. On the other hand, a set of 20 samples from the top of the hill and for the first stages in dating the deposit's age were sent to Chihuahua City for a wide variety of geochemical analyses including REE, plasma and radioactivity traces.
-----Well, you certainly appear to have everything planned and under control. I do not know how you can finance all this, but I am very pleased that you found a way to accomplish all that. Your determination is admirable and I do hope that to have this online will bring you more help and attention. As I said, if there is anything I can do for you, I will not hesitate to help. I am not working at the moment but I do not have the money to go to Mexico. Otherwise I would certainly be there to investigate, even though I do not believe I could be of much help. I think you were the right person to witness this, at the right location and at the right time. If anything significant can be uncovered from all this, you will succeed. Don’t let go even if you do not find anything conclusive at first.
CONCLUSION
The fact that we all know that It has taken almost a century to generations of the brightest to try to put together a short but elegant equation expressing the marriage between the realm of the infinitesimal and the realm of the astros,
-----I do not believe that we have succeeded yet, or perhaps I am not sure to which equation you are referring to. I believe that we have succeeded but it is not widespread yet and no one believes it because it is not proven yet. They are the equations that I discuss on my theoretical page with my friend William Taggart. He is the theoretical physicist I said I was going to forward this email to but his email address is no longer working and his website disappeared overnight. I hope everything is OK with him. My other geologist friend has not answered me yet, perhaps he is out of the country again, mining in Africa or something…
which eventually would give many generations from now a crude but somehow tangible basic knowledge to commence the dream of really sending someone also from their distant future to the stars, meaning that if everything goes well and even if the equation is released today, still several centuries would have elapsed for such beginning, don't you think that appauling is an understatement to say the least, that we see all of these vessels leisuring in the continuum and how they enter our world while we wait that a formula would be spawned to make plans for a future that all the current living ones along with many generations to come will never see?. I propose that the effort to try to capitalize the wormhole sightings and the stage where these occurrences took place for a possible leap in space and time avoiding centuries of waiting for something that we don't even know if ever would occur, represents less than a fraction of the past, current and the foreseeable scientific future efforts that haven't nor soon will scratch the surface of such fantastic adventure that may be waiting for us all and why not, maybe this was the way things were suppose to be. Regards, Alberto
-----I believe that we are ready for a much awaited new revolution in Physics. I do not believe that we will have to wait another life time to get there. At the very least, if we are not going to be able to travel anywhere in the universe almost instantly, we will certainly be able to travel in time. Stephen Hawking's wrote in his book Black Holes and Baby Universes: “But the best evidence we have that time travel is not possible, and never will be, is that we have not been invaded by hordes of tourists from the future.” If anything, all these UFOs sightings could be the proof that proves him wrong. Whatever you are investigating right now, might be the most important discovery of all time. Just the extraordinary source of energy idea using the barite as a superconductor could change a lot of things in this world.
Regards, Roland Michel Tremblay
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Hi Mr. Tremblay, I just returned from El Cerro del Pueblo whereby at the petition and request from the citizens of the village of Villa Lopez today Sunday, the Padre of the Church's town Manuel Morales bendicted the location at the base of El Cerro del Pueblo against demons and the like because of the sightings in which almost a fourth of the village's population attended to witness such event.
----I hope that Padre Manuel Morales was unsuccessful in chasing away the demons. At least someone with some authority shows some interest and acknowledges that something happened. And he is even willing to do something about it! Perhaps he can help you in your quest.
At that instance, while they were busy with such affairs I took the opportunity to climb again from another angle to the top of the hill and to re-examine the top area (2.5 hours) of the roughly 50 m. x 50 m top highest area whereby according to my calculations the sighting that I witnessed originated, with no relevant findings other than strange markings I did not see before on a grayish dark carbonaceous very flat slab of rock (1.5mx3m) located at some 50m at a lower hill level, in which a 50cm x 50cm perfectly squared drawing with a marking depth of 2cm on the filled with sort of giant white shell Permian (?) remnants (up to 15cm wide each, which benthic type so far nowhere else found within the external hill's structure) are spreaded across the slab's surface, along with subsequent (at other flat rocks towards the top of the hill) perfectly triangular shaped indentations with the same depth (2cm or so) pointing towards the top, perhaps that's what I wanted to see,
---It is very hard for me to visualize those markings. I believe they are a great discovery, they prove that “they” even use marks to locate the place just as we would. Why would they need to do that? I think that some people using this gateway or wormhole, might actually have to physically go there and if it is the case more traces could be found. Perhaps it is just a matter of digging without a drill to find garbage, or some other signs that someone was there. If you were in a small craft, could you see those markings? Could they play a role in moving around in a ship? Or would those markings only indicate the location of the deposit? And perhaps some other information like a location number, the purity of the place, where it connects to… One thing is for sure, if I were them I would not be too obvious in my markings, I would make sure they could be mistaken for something natural. I think it is unlikely that this is what you wanted to see, I think, in the light of what you witnessed, that this is very important.
but one thing I can be sure of, and that's my awareness of location regarding the positioning of myself anywhere, and such awareness which I tactically and methodically follow with great care since the beginning of any exploration I undertake and have undertaken including those many at the nearby (120km away from here) huge and never ending sandy desertic areas at the hearth of the Bolson de Mapimi, Mexico whereby due to strange worldwide scientifically acknowledged underground magnetic phenomena occurring as evidentiated by government signaling at the entrance of such desert complex in which specifically indicates that "due to abnormal underground magnetic forces, compass instrumentation along with radio - communication is inoperable", which by the way and actually and by a couple of occasions we were critically disoriented for quite a while, I was able to be instrumental to get us out to safety after several days of erratic driving within these weird locations, so am almost sure that the pointing of such triangular signaling at El Cerro del Pueblo where in the direction towards the location of the sightings, but, and despite the fact that I don't have any factual evidence of the sightings phenomena I do not give great importance, or at least an overlaying importance to these perhaps mere naturally occurring rare instances. Later, and 3.5 hours later I returned to the starting point at which time I talked over these matters with my wife, and the guys including my two brothers in law that live in town ( out of ten! ) which already drank several bottles of tequila with the Padre and the Mayor of the town among other huge bunch of folks invited me to talk about the matter, to which I told them what I really thought about and while some of them respectfully declined to add any comments, others stated that what they had seen had been the works of the (diablo) devil. At that instance, I agreed with my wife that it was time to return home, nonetheless, my ownself inquiry as to the bottom of this matter keeps more elusive as ever, perhaps, and as I mentioned to my wife - Carmen - it would be better if I just drink a bottle of tequila and forget about the whole thing as the others do, but the problem is that I can't, and the worst of all, I won't do it, I'll keep on going and trying to find an answer in this regard till hell freezes over (in barium, I guess), and believe me, that's an understatement.
----Perhaps there is still a way to talk about the Diablo when referring to perhaps aliens or visitors from the future. And perhaps there is still a way to convince them that even though this could be the work of the Diablo, it is still worth investigating and get some answers. Even if it was just to prove that it is in fact the devil. I hope you will not get into trouble. Eventually you will not be alone out there, there will be more people investigating this, I am sure. It would certainly do a great movie, and I can tell you that my website attracts a lot of writers and producers from Hollywood. The effect that all of these sightings have over the population is as fascinating as the sightings themselves, so please feel free to talk about it. I am afraid to say that 50 years ago even my people in Québec (Canada) were very catholic, with big families of 16 children and they believed in the devil. You would have to search a lot today to find anyone with more than 3 kids and still frighten by “Le Diable”. Perhaps another 50 years and Chihuahua might be more open minded.
Pictures, well I used my digital camera so many times for picturing (amongst others) a world of incredible sets of minerals found side by side only at extremely geologically worldwide locations such as the ones I found around here, specially within some of my mining claim grounds whereby geologically unusual - to say the least - a combined set of intrusives; felsic granitic and a sort of minor mafic including concurrent small (?) secondary mineral hydrothermal formations - including products such gold, silver (nothing really big) and array of sulphides and tellurides which gave path to the spawning of an intertwined metamorphic aureola whereby contact metamorphic minerals type, which are found very much away from each other elsewhere, are incredibly side by side within this marvelous geological gift and I got them in pictures and in samples. In fact, nine specimens from these grounds which proved to have B - boron unusual bearing levels, identified at a geochemical firm along with geologists at the State University of Chihuahua in the City of Chihuahua - were sent to the top scientific boron identifying mineral centre, whereby Dr. Lee A. Groat ( UBC ) already did XRD and as he indicated today, results of micromount samples already stagged for Probe will be known promptly. But my camera broke down two weeks ago when it fell down 6.5 m when capturing giant gypsum crystals at caves 150km from here (Naica, Chihuahua) and is at the camera's hospital with no many hopes to return to life so I've been thinking of getting a brand new one within almost no time from now. In fact I still have pictures of the barite specimens from El Cerro del Pueblo available whenever you want to see them + others.
-----I would love that, I will even put them online. Never mind if there are many pictures, I can put 1000 of them on my server if necessary.
On the other hand, am not a rich man nor anything close to it, (I wish I had some left other than my needs and strange - nowadays - aristocratic behavioral modes, still suffered by some of my descendants). The economical means I have to go by and to undertake explorations are products of medium size mining earnings that have taken quite larger investment from me in the past to barely substantiate some of my eccentricities such as merely scrapping of materials for geological - plasma ( bunch) testing expenses from my mining grounds along from the ones at El Cerro del Pueblo testing procedures, which by the way it is my main project; and perhaps I might be one day the project of such paradox; that's if I succeed in this sort a endeavor. But the most important fact is that it happened and that we know it exists and it is there, and while whether or not it was intended to be revealed to us It will merely depend from the cognitive mastering that we might be capable to exert to capitalize on the very and most exciting undertaking of all times. Greetings, Alberto.
----I bet you wish that the padre and the mayor shared that thought. You still repeated here “if it was intended to be revealed to us”. I find that very interesting. If it was not intended to be revealed to us, why would they be so obvious in their doing? So many people witnessed the lights and the things flying in the air. Not once, but twice. As well, nothing appears to be preventing you from going there and investigate. You even intend to go there and drill. Surely if this was meant to be kept secret, there is no way you would have been allowed to witness it or go there and investigate. ----If they are people from the future, then it could be dangerous for you to know because you could change that future and prevent it from happening altogether. In which case I doubt they would let you witness this and investigate it. This area would have been closed to anyone by some governmental body in charge of protecting someone from changing history. If they are visitors from somewhere else, or perhaps another species living in secrecy with a great technology, they still would like to keep everything secret. Perhaps they think that there is no way you could understand at this stage the technology involved and reproduce it, and therefore they don’t mind if you investigate and witness it. Perhaps they are right, perhaps they are wrong, and perhaps they don’t know you are investigating, and perhaps they don’t know yet. ---I do not believe in paradoxes. If we can somehow get some technology faster because this technology went back to the past or some aliens gave it to us, we are not in Star Trek, nothing prevents us from taking that technology and use it. If some people think it might not be a good idea for us to have this technology, then this is worrying, and I would feel better if we had that technology. Something is going on, I wish we knew what. I wish we knew if it was a threat or not and I certainly would like to see us move into the new millennium instead of being limited by the actual physics of today. ----Whatever happens in nature must be natural, otherwise it would not have been allowed to happen in the first place. I mean that if it is there for us to find out, then we are allowed to find out, and even I think we should investigate and find out.
Regards, Roland Michel Tremblay 44E The Grove, Isleworth, Middx, London, TW7 4JF, UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8847 5586 Mobile: +44 (0)794 127 1010
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-----Original Message----- From: Jose Alberto Gonzalez Ponce [mailto:penol12@prodigy.net.mx] Sent: 26 January 2003 02:37 To: rm@themarginal.com Subject: Fw: Wormholes
Dear Mr. Tremblay, As per your comment regarding the movie Contact, enclosed is the letter I received from those people as a response of my sightings report. I also included a picture of a smaller iron but mostly nickel meteorite I found near the salt mine of Benjamin, kind of far from Sierra de Chupaderos. It is the small piece (on top of the larger rock not meteoric) with white - silvery couple of grinded areas. The other two, also from the area are at a lab of a friend in Arizona for XRD and probe analyses.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Formichelli" <jlf24@caltech.edu> To: "Jose Alberto Gonzalez Ponce" <penol12@prodigy.net.mx> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Wormholes
Dear Jose, Thank you for your interesting letter about your sightings and the science you think lies behind them. I wish you all the best of luck in your research into this. Yours sincerely, Kip S. Thorne ================================================== Kip S. Thorne: kip@tapir.caltech.edu 130-33 Caltech, Pasadena, CA 91125 Phone: +1 626 395-4598; Fax: +1 626 796-5675 Administrative Assistants -- * TAPIR RESEARCH GROUP ISSUES: Shirley Hampton: shirley@tapir.caltech.edu; +1 626 395-4597 * OTHER ISSUES: Jennifer Formichelli: jlf24@tapir.caltech.edu; +1 626 395-4280 ==================================================
-----Original Message----- Hello Mr. Gonzalez Ponce, You know, it is not as much the answer from Kip Thorne that is important (I noticed that his signature is longer than the answer from his assistant!). What is important is that he has been made aware of it. I do not think for a second that he could not be interested in this. He might not have the time to answer but I am sure he finds it fascinating. It is also possible that following his involvement with the book Contact from Carl Sagan, he has been inundated with people who witnessed similar sightings from all around the world. Who knows. I am impressed you were able to find him and send him an e-mail. After I update my website I will contact different magazines and organizations to invite them to visit the website: www.themarginal.com/elcerrodelpueblo.htm We will get the attention that this deserves. Regards, Roland Michel Tremblay
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Dear Mr. Tremblay, Thank you for your early morning response, it is nice to hear from you again also. In your homepage, and while reading the section:
SCIENCE FICTION BECOMING SCIENCE FACT Wormhole in El Cerro del Pueblo, Mexico?
I suggest that it would be important to modify a portion of the sentence including: " barite / barium, an element that exhibits more gravity than any other element" for something like: "barite, a barium bearing mineral that exhibits more gravity than any other mineral with no metallic constituent elements with the exception of uranitite" The reason I suggest this change is because although there are mineralogically classified as non metallic minerals heavier than barite ( with a density or specific gravity of 4.5) such anglesite a Lead Sulfate with a density of 6.4 and cerussite a Lead Carbonate with a density of 6.5 to 6.6, these two heavier ones are ores of lead thus they are lead metal bearing minerals while barite is a fully non metallic mineral bearing the element barium. In the case of uranitite with density factors between 6.5 and 10 which is the highest you can get from a non metallic? but a mineral that along with the other two lead bearing minerals they do not occur in masses not even a fraction of the volumes that barite attain and so their natural occurring deposits would not represent a major gravity phenomena. As for heavier metallic minerals, there many, for instance the iron bearing deposit in Durango I mentioned on another writing to you with martite an iron oxide with density of 5+. Among the heaviest metallic and all minerals as a whole is gold 11 to 17 but the heaviest is osmium ( a constituent of platinum) that goes beyond 17 +. Regards, Alberto
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